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navinq
New Member
Vietnamese
- Jun 19, 2013
- #1
I feel confused about how to use "at the moment" and "in the moment" in a sentence.
Here is my contexts:
- Hopes that she would be more moderate than her abrasive husband were quickly dashed right in the moment she talked to me.
- Hopes that she would be more moderate than her abrasive husband were quickly dashed right at the moment she started to talk to me.
Could you guys tell me whether I do it right or not, and explain to me why.
Thanks for your visiting and reading it.
PaulQ
Senior Member
UK
English - England
- Jun 19, 2013
- #2
- Hopes that she would be more moderate were quickly dashed right in the moment [in which] she talked to me. = she spoke to you only for a moment but it was within that moment that your hopes were dashed.
- Hopes that she would be more moderate were quickly dashed right at the moment she started to talk to me. = as soon as [upon the moment] she started to speak, your hopes were dashed.
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Embonpoint
Senior Member
Boston
English--American
- Jun 19, 2013
- #3
Let me back away from your example for a moment, as it has several issues.
Here are a couple of other examples with in a moment or at the moment.
I'm sorry. At the moment I'm rather busy.
(Means I'm busy right now.)I live in the moment. (I take advantage of each minute of my life and enjoy it to its fullest.)
As for your original example, it's problematic because a moment is a very brief period of time, and "she talked to me" suggests a longer period that seems inconsistent with such a brief instant. If you change the sentence a bit, you can use moment. A preposition isn't necessary at all:
My hopes that she would be more moderate than her abrasive husband were dashed the moment she opened her mouth.
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navinq
New Member
Vietnamese
- Jun 19, 2013
- #4
So let me describe what I get when I read your explanation:
in the moment : is to describe a period of time (short one but still a period of time). And in this period of time, she talked to me, my hopes were dashed.
at the moment : is to describe a point of time. My hopes were dashed for the first second she talked to me.
Did I get it right?
What if I write it this way:
Hopes that she would be more moderate were quickly dashed right in the moment she started to talk to me. (it's wrong, right ?)
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FrankJBN
New Member
English - American
- Jun 19, 2013
- #5
With no reference to support me, I see these two phrases as completely different. "In the moment" describes an emotional/mental state of being of a person, while at the moment describes a point in time.
A person may be in the moment - completely absorbed by what is going on around, at one with the circumstance of the present moment. In fact one may be in the moment at the moment of some occurrence.
I have recently seen "in the moment" used in terms of the currently trending pop psychology flavor of "mindfulneess".
I would not use "in the moment" as shown in the example of the OP.
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Embonpoint
Senior Member
Boston
English--American
- Jun 19, 2013
- #6
To me, "in the moment" is more about experiencing the moment--about my being emotionally in it. When he told me I loved me, I was completely in the moment and didn't notice it had started raining.
"At the moment" is more about localizing the action in time. At the very moment he proposed to me, it started raining.Your sentence still sounds a bit foreign. First, quickly is redundant, as you are already saying the hopes were dashed at the very moment she started to talk to you. In the moment also just sounds to me like a foreigner speaking English. You could say at the moment but in AE it is more natural, at least to me, to leave off the preposition entirely. I would say "Hopes that she would be more moderate were dashed the moment she started to talk to me."
PaulQ
Senior Member
UK
English - England
- Jun 19, 2013
- #7
navinq said:
So let me describe what I get when I read your explanation:
in the moment : is to describe a period of time (short one but still a period of time). And in this period of time, she talked to me, my hopes were dashed.
at the moment : is to describe a point of time. My hopes were dashed at the first second she talked to me.Did I get it right?
Yes. That is the idea.
What if I write it this way:
Hopes that she would be more moderate were quickly dashed right in the moment she started to talk to me. (it's wrong, right ?)
Yes, I think it is wrong. I like Embonpoint's "My hopes that she would be more moderate than her abrasive husband were dashed the moment she opened her mouth."
But, and even easier, you can omit both right in and right at, and it sounds idiomatic: Hopes that she would be more moderate were quickly dashed
the moment she started to talk to me.
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Embonpoint
Senior Member
Boston
English--American
- Jun 19, 2013
- #8
To add a bit, I think what we're dealing with here is not grammar but simply the idiomatic way we typically express the concept you are expressing here. The idea "at the very moment" is often expressed as "the moment."
The two sentences below are the same, but the first would be more common.
The moment I arrived, she started yelling at me for not having called her.
At the very moment I arrived, she started yelling at me for not having called her.
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navinq
New Member
Vietnamese
- Jun 19, 2013
- #9
Base on your sentence (I live in the moment.)
I used in the moment for the first of mine :
- Hopes that she would be more moderate than her abrasive husband were quickly dashed right in the moment she talked to me.
to describe the context that when she talked to me, I took time to hear what she said, and then my hopes were dashed.
and in the moment is the one I can think of. Could you make it right for me? And could you explain me more about the meaning of in the moment. I think I still unclearly understand it
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Embonpoint
Senior Member
Boston
English--American
- Jun 19, 2013
- #10
In the moment is often used to mean your brain is in a particular moment--that you are completely absorbed by what is happening. The movement of "living in the moment," which many people talk about, means that you appreciate each moment of your life fully. So I may have cancer, I may be losing my job tomorrow, but right now I am on the beach with my lover and it's a beautiful day. I'm living in the moment. It means I am appreciating the particular brief space of time fully.
It makes no sense in your sentence. I can't say it's completely wrong gramatically. But it sounds like you are a foreign speaker. Does that make sense?
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navinq
New Member
Vietnamese
- Jun 19, 2013
- #11
Everything is clear now. Idiom make grammar become confusing !
I will note this for the next time I use this phrase, thank you all
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navinq
New Member
Vietnamese
- Jun 19, 2013
- #12
Embonpoint said:
But it sounds like you are a foreign speaker. Does that make sense?
Yes I am, I'm trying to widen my English knowledge more deeply.
If I have any wrong grammar when discussing in the forum, please help me to fix it. I appreciate it.
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Embonpoint
Senior Member
Boston
English--American
- Jun 19, 2013
- #13
I know you are a foreign speaker. What I was trying to say is the sentence you wrote, while I can't say it's grammatically wrong, makes you sound foreign. We tend to be precise here at WR. If something is grammatically wrong, we say so. Other sentences may just be foreign-sounding or awkward, while not actually wrong.
Your goal (I'm guessing) is to sound as native as possible!
There is probably too much to fix in everything you wrote, but I'll make one suggestion, since it could come up a lot:
If I make any grammatical errors in the forum, please correct me.
Mr. Lewis
Senior Member
Spanish - Mexico
- Apr 3, 2025
- #14
Embonpoint said:
In the moment is often used to mean your brain is in a particular moment--that you are completely absorbed by what is happening.
Hello, everyone!
The following sentence is an example where "in the moment" is used in a different way.
"Discipline is about making decisions based on who you want to become, not how you feel in the moment".
Source: YouTube
Title of the video: "How to Force Yourself to Be Consistent | Simon Sinek's Powerful Insights" (minute 3:02).
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